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O'no. Is it repairable? That was a great model, what happened?

I take it that it was your 40% one?

Ian :stupid:

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Shadow... Thing is its sorta been done...

Ali is the only one I know that has flown both the production C50 and the Seduction Freestyle.... and as you can see he didnt like the Seduction, but raved heaps about the Capiche...

Ali is one of the most prolific and competent freestyle pilots in the UK, so there is some weight to his comments although I appreciate everyone has their own opinion... hence my Q to you .... what say you ?

ANYWAYS.. back on topic....
Arnie, if you are gonna have a S/F then a man of your calibre can extend to a kit surely !?

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Arch...I have extended.

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Aha... look forward to seeing and hearng the result !

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Vertical
I agree with you on the tail blocks. I think that was the only part of the build I did not enjoy at all. Those 3 pieces were a pain. Not fun to carve and sand smooth either. I might try to use a single block on this one. I could try to e-mail you pics of the many pieces of my Freestyle, I could do that easily. PM me with your e-mail address.


Arnie
I hope you like yours as much as I have. I thought you were going to get the Seduction 90 not the Freestyle.

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my personal oponion is the c##### 50 looks like some kind of pattern plane from the 80's.I think the seduction looks mutch better,just my opinion thoulgh.It would be nice to get a fair comparison of the 2 planes,but that will neverhapen,there are some real salesmen behind one of the 2.I wonder witch one?

Shadow,sent you a pm

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Vertical... i think your comment at the end is a bit uncalled for.

There are Lott's of customers (I'm one of them) that are willing to rave about their favorite toy (i like my Fiberclasic extra but no one accuses me of being on there sales force!)

Ali is an independent who owns a chain of Hobie stores in england who is also to a point in competition with Island Hobbies (capishe) Ali does not have the rights to sell the capishe.

Ali always samples the marketplace and has at times when he is too busy (like preparing his jets for the world champs for instance) given me planes to test before he takes stock so he is aware of the product (good or bad)

With the capishe he took the plane out with the intention of breaking it first flight (he had heard roomers that the wings fall off)

one of his moves was a full throttle blender !!

after 5mins and the wings not coming off he realized that the plane was flying quite nicely and proceeded to make 15 more flights that day. He then posted a long description of the plane with his excitement and joy at how good the plane is.

As you are probably aware now Ali is as independent as they come and as the current British 3style Champion AND the current WORLD JET Freestyle champion beating all the American pilots as well as Sylvestri Sebastiano at the world champs.

i hope you now understand why when Archie says "if Ali says the capishe is better than the seduction then i believe him" he has good reason to

I hope the moderator does not think this is an advert, just stating facts, but if this is near the line PM me and i will remove it

Dave Stephens

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i think your responce was written quite well,and i dont think it should be removed.That might be the explanation that myself and everyone else needs to hear.I think everyone should read your reply,it might make the findings of the airplane a bit more credible than what they are now.It was just my opinion,and i think it was a reasonable one before i read your last statement.I apologize for upsetting anyone......vertical

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No problem, i just dont like injustice, and thanks it takes a real person to post a reply like that

Dave

Is this the Suduction Freestyle thread???
 

Here we go again!!!

I was just looking through the recent '3D Flying!' threads, and spotted a thread on the Seduction Freestyle. Since it is a plane I've been interested in for awhile now, I figured I'd check it out and see what it was all about...and guess what?

I GOT TO READ OVER A PAGE ABOUT THE CAPICHE 50 AGAIN!!!

...And then I got to hear Dave bringing up the statement "beating all the American pilots". How does that have anything to do with the Seduction, or any other other plane for that matter? I keep reading in the 'Brit' threads about how there is an anti-Brit feeling in this forum. But maybe you should look at statements like these, and ask yourself if you are the ones causing this supposed Anti-Brit atmosphere?

As for me...I'm going to start looking around for a Non-Capiche Seduction Freestyle thread. I hope there is one out there? If not, I may just have to start one! :D

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3D Romeo,

Here we go again, if you care to look it was Shadowspring that brought up the C word (and yes he is in America) and know one has tried "selling the C" in this thread, BUT you seem to have missed the post by Welsh 3d (quote)

"Go buy yourself a global Freestyle from Slough, they're absolutely wicked!"

surely that is a more of a "sales" statement than anything mentioned about the C on this thread

Obviously you are just trying to add fuel to an argument that has been and gone.

let it lie

Let it lie???
 

I think there is ALLOT more people that need to 'Let It Lie'...one person may have brought up the 'C' word...but a WHOLE PAGE OF PEOPLE SURE CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO TALK ABOUT IT!!! If you look at the context of what Shadowspring said, he was either baiting, or joking about the Capiche.

...And are we suppose to put the nationality of every person we mention in parentheses now? You don't get it, do you? Who cares where Shadowspring is from...IF YOU LOOK AT MY REPLY, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE THREAD TURNED INTO A CAPICHE DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF THE SEDUCTION THREAD I THOUGHT I WAS ENTERING!

As for the Global Freestyle reference...This is only the 2nd time I've even heard of this plane. And again, I'm not against the occasional sales pitch, or a reference on where to purchase a product. But I've been to ALLOT of threads that suddenly turn into Capiche threads. Why do you think Shadowspring said "Its funny how no one here has mentioned the Cap#### 50. I can't bring myself to say it as they might arise from the depths. Those monions find every crack they can to try to sell those things!!"?

And the only reason I brought up the 'Brits' thing is because of your 'American' statement, and all the whining I've been hearing lately about how this forum is anti-Brit. I don't care WHERE a person is from, or WHERE a plane is built...I JUST DON'T LIKE EVERY THREAD I VISIT TURNING INTO A DISCUSSION OF HOW MUCH BETTER THE CAPICHE IS! As a matter of fact...Most of my R/C gear is foreign made...So this is definitely not a problem!

P.S. - I just re-read the thread, and Sprink (from England) was the first person to mention the Capiche...Not Shadowspring! :D

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Hmm, yes your right. When I get a chance I'll go back and edit as requested by the moderators (can't do that at the moment as I'm in the office and the company firewall only allows me to use the Quick Reply function).

If you want a Seduction Freestyle thread you can always start one of your own if this does not meet your requirements, though I think you will see mentions of the Capiche reduce. Or you can make this the thread you want by asking the questions you want.

Actually, I have found the discussion between The Boy, Vertical ts, Shadowspring etc quite interesting. While perhaps not the best thread to do it in, surely such a discussion is the stuff of RCU? Of course part of the problem is that Pilot kits can be dificult to get hold of in the UK, and the Capiche is hard to get hold of in the US, but then that can make the discussion even better if no one goes overboard.

Vertical, Shadowspring, while you havn't persuaded me to get a Freestyle, you have persuaded me that the Pilot kits are very good so I will (probably) get the Wildstyle as the new home for my OS 32.

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Sprink,
Thats cool my friend. If you want more of an extreme 3d plane then the Wildstyle is much better suited, or so i've heard. I want to get one but one kit to build at a time. The Freestyle is not really a true 3d plane, more artistic aero I think. The kits are really really high quality. Amazing how the parts fit together, I get my Pilot kits from Singapore Hobbies. Frederick is really easy to deal with, very satisfied on both my orders.

If you get the Wildstyle then i would be interested in your feedback. I find you to be very insightful.

I'll tell you what this competition between the Freestyle and Capich 50 is very interesting. Now i've said it.....lol. The Seduction Freestyle has been around for a while now, and if you read the posts of people it is a very beloved plane, has almost a cult following. It is almost unanamously considered to be the best plane out there by the people that have owned them. The Capiche has come around and appears to be as much beloved, but the people that are raving about it almost never actually have one yet, they want one but don't have it. I'm going to watch the Capiche threads and see what the people that have one have to say, and see what happens after all the initial hype has dissapeared. I really want the best product out there. The Seduction unfortunately was not made in America but rather Japan.

It is interesting to see Ali's comments. I think he is the only person i have ever seen that did not like the Freestyle. Maybe he was trying to make it a true 3d plane, which it aint. More of a pattern/imac plane that can do some 3d like blenders torqe rolling etc...

If the Capiche is as good as advertised then GIVE ME ONE ARCHIE!!!! or at least cut me a deal.

Some of you guys are really way too uptight.

Bring on the criticism!!! I'm ready!!!!

That's OK...You guys can have this thread...
 

I guess I could have toned down some of my replies, as well. It was getting late here in the U.S. and I didn't have allot of time to spend on the Internet. This thread wasn't really that bad at only 2 pages in size. But some of the threads have grown so large that you have to take a couple hours to read the whole thing, and when much of the thread isn't about the actual topic it gets a little frustrating. I agree that it would be easy to just leave, and find another thread. But if I left in the middle of a thread because it grew into something other than it was suppose to be, I might miss out on some useful information later on in it.

As for the 'C' plane...don't get me wrong on this either. I like this plane! As a matter of fact I was planning on buying it just a little while ago, and still have a folder of photos on my computer filled with the 'C' plane! I love the lines on this plane. But I'm looking more for a Fun-Fly 3D type plane right now, and as Archie always says, the 'C' plane doesn't really fall into this category. It's a smooth flying plane that just happens to do some 3D maneuvers very well.

...On that note, you guys can talk about whatever you want to on this thread. I won't disturb you anymore...I'll just go look else where for my information.

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ShadowSpring....how do you find that Seduction Freestyle in a stalled attitude? harrier etc.

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Some threads do seem to take on a life of their own don't they :) Again that is part of the fun of RCU.

At least the U Can Do is not available in the UK - that thread is huge!!!!!!

3D Romeo, yeah thats cool. Sometimes think humour can get lost in the translation mid Atlantic somewhere.

As for the Wildstyle/Freestyle/Capiche, precision aeros is a bit more my thing rather than just throwing the plane around, but I do like having one plane to throw around, it is good for working out frustrations :D hence the wildstyle

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shadowspring your comments are a little unfair, most of the favourable comments of the Capiche are from people who have flown the model (me included).

The UK Aerobatic scene is very small compared to the states, and most of the UK show fliers and competitive fliers post on here, so maybe some times the UK chat gets a bit clicky as its quite a small community. However as I have mentioned before in a different thread everyone knows about the Capiche in the UK and when some of the best pilots say they like it, it generates a bit of a following - hence the number of posts generated on here.

I hope you can get your hands on one, so we can have an opinion from someone who is a bit more detached from all the hype.

Chris.

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Arnie
I am really not good at harriers at all. Mine look like crap. I really do need to practice them some more. My lack of harrier practice has something to do with flat spins!!!!! I'm gonna keep my mouth shut here cause i don't want to give you the wrong feedback.

Do you need the Freestyle plans as a template for the plane you are designing?


Ultimate
That comment was a little strong, should have said "some." I was mainly speaking of you know who's minions. I would love to get one but i had a close encounter of the tree kind and had to grab an ARF on Saturday. Funny how 45 ft tall trees sneak up on you while doing a flat spin into a cartwheel. Damn plane stuck up there too, had to climb 35ft to get it down. Took me an hour to even find it up there, finally figurefd out to listen for the servos moving instead of looking. Got a little Magic Extra, fun little plane. Won't let myself get anything else for a while. Unless i visit the trees again!!!

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shadowspring

damm trees huh ? my condolences, but at least you get a new one to replace it. :)


Chris

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hey shadow,when your doing your harriers,have you tried using you aielrons slaved in with your elevator to make them flaperons?That is only if you have duel aileron servos.Aslo one thing that helped mine look a little better was changing my throttle curve.Not that im that great or anything,but it helped me a little.Sorry to hear about your loss....vertical

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Thanks Vertical
I havn't really tried that as of yet, but i will soon. My problem with harriers i think has more to do with not really trying to learn and improve them as of yet, started to but been doin other stuff.

I am obsessed with spins and blenders and try to enter them from all kinds of positions and altitudes. Thus my little encounter with the tree!!!

I am going to practice them though with my magic extra to add a little diversity to my flying instead of a bunch of spins all the time!! I can't believe it but ii might actually be tired of flat spins. Shouldn't be too hard to perfect, so by the time i get my new freestyle finished, i should be ready to start adding them to my bag o tricks.

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On a Seduction note:

I'm covering my seduction freestyle at the moment and want to ask anyone who has one, how did you finish the wing tips?

They are plastic cappings which would probably look best spray painted. Anyone got any photos or advise?

I've gone for a blue and white scheme..

Many thanks

Neil

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The freestyle was one of the most over-rated planes of last year!! Me and my flying mate brought one of these each and really they are dogs to fly if youve ever flown anything that is good at 3d. The main problem is anything high alpha, they are extremely unstable with wingrock. Inverted harriers are do-able. The ailerons on the stock freestyle are far to small, as has been said the ono has better sized ailerons but high alpha rolls are still snappy looking. They torque-roll alright but these days everything does.http://www.geocities.com/littleted_69/sed.jpg. My seduction.. For a 40 sized sports model they are great. They are good as basic practice pattern models but for anything else look afield.

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I painted mine then glued them on with Zap-a-Dap-a-Goo. Flew it without the wing tips for awhile before I had the plastic tips ready and really could not tell a difference when I added them. Looked better with them on.

Jon