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You moved it into the engine box????

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Lou, yuh i moved it so the stopper is push into the firewall, i cut a hole in the firewall for the stopper, i made 2 cross beams out of a bit of triangle ply the with 3mm ply i used that as my floor i had to cut a fair bit of wood away from the fuse so i could get the tank in there and had to relocate the hardwood blocks for mounting the cowl, then i used some velcro and some spounge to hold the tank nice and firm and then i put a bit of wood behiind the tank just incase it wants to move.
but i really think this tank had to be pushed to the front, because it was way to far back for a glow engine.

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Well, all I can tell you is that mine ran just fine in the stock location with the 160 in it. Having that tank that far forward is definately going to make balancing that plane a challenge. Would sure seem like it's going to be very nose heavy at take-off and tail heavy at landings. Not a combination I would enjoy.

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Just got the new muffler in for my BCMA 40. This thing runs great! Now all I have to do is cut the new cowl and put the new wheel pants on. Should be ready to fly tomorrow if the sun melts the snow on the runway today.

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well i balanced it with no fuel in and its dead set on centre now, though yuh it will be a little bit nose heavy but it wont be that bad iam sure....i may have just got a bad engine, if this combination dont work ill take the motor back i think...

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hi guys nice looking plane.I might get one for my moki 180 that needs a home.
I just finished my hanger9 pete goldsmith cap 232g MVVS58 & my 1/3 scale cap 580 with a QS3W106 is 3/4 built.
im a capaholic so this looks like a nice nitro bird
cheers glen

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Glen,

Like you, I'm a Cap-a-holic. I just gotta fly everyone I can get my hands on. If I were to take stock and I will do just that, I have flown/owned:

GP Cap 580 40 size (owned, sold)
GP Cap 580 33% (owned, sold)
GP Cap 232 27% (currently owned)
The original H9 Cap (just flown)
Carden Cap 232 all three sizes: (30, 35, and 40 percent) (I wish I owned any one of these [X(])
WM Cap232 (40 size) (owned, sold)

If I were to compare between these, I would say this GP version flies very close to the Carden 30%. But the best of those ones I flown by far is the Carden 40%. Now there is one stable Cap. :D

So as not to take this thread to far away from the GP Cap, would you mind very much me asking you to PM me with any details you can give me about the H9 Cap. Anything you can think of like how it flies, power to weight, mixes, aerobatics, things like that.

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My wife loved the colors on "H9", it looked impressive especially in comparason with "GP" some of the early pics that blue on "GP" CAP have a pearl flope in it, so on most of the pictures that blue looked pale light, in other word terrible, but when I saw plane in a real life it looked to me "Tomy Helfiger" like color shrime biutefull.(do not mighn my spelling plz.)

Hower, colors do not fly planes. At over 17Lb and little more than 100sq in "H9" CAP according to our club member, from whom I just picked "GP" 27% CAP(light crash special), while he was finishing up "H9", it is a "flying brick". He thinks that in "H9" evevator stab is too high, but I think the weight is a culpit. It is in my opinion is over enginered(not only it have main wing tube, but elevator tube as well), but eventhough it is CF it is still adds wight. Tail wheel in "H9" CAP is a machined aluminum master piece marvel, in "GP" tail wheel is cheap and hamble cost $1.89, I end up installing it on all of my size 40 and 60 "3D fun flyes" models, works great("Ford over Ferrary" rule works between this two plane like a charm), but like thier "ShowTime" for almost noting to glue when building the plane thumes up, but for tip stalling in the air thums down. I would like to hear if any one have a luck 3Ding "H9" CAP, I'm still druling over looks of this plane, but ultimatly I whant to 3D more than just looking at the airplane!

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sweet sounds like you love them alot.
i have had
2xWM castrol 40 size crashed doing low ke
2x 50cc both hanger 9 airatilia purple one died still have the other pete goldsmith
1x hanger nine 100cc still got it & love it
1xcap580 100cc in the build now & cant wait to fly it next weekend
& my brother has the pheniox models cap with a dzy48
3x mini craft caps moki 180 all dead but:( & i loved them.One was called the $50 cap see the pic with a $50 note stuck on the wing
a few pics
I got a 2.6 red bull yak & wish it was a cap[:-]sshhhhhhhhhh dont tell bully but lol
buying a carden 40% kit in a few weeks for my new 3W157TSCS
cheers glen

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Blockbuster,

I appreciate the info on the H9 version....

The GP version 3D's very well. A few pages ago, I posted a link to a video of a member by the name of whaturi that I fly often with. He is flying my first one (as you nicely say, light crash giveaway) on an OS160. He has also flown mine with a DA50 at 14lbs and loved it.

The stab on the H9 Cap is actually right where it should be. The GP is a tad lower but looks to be almost directly in line with the thrust line. With the wing area on the H9, at 17lbs it's pretty high on wing loading. It's that high position that makes the elevator so effective with minimal throw needed.

Glenn,

Oh yea, I'm a big Cap fan. When I flew full scale, I did my aerobatic training in an Extra a Stearman and an Agcat and got to wring out a Cap. You could get the thing right up to the stall and just as the plane would shudder, corner the stick, stomp the rudder go to full power and she would just tumble ever so slowly. Release pressure on the stick and rudder and as soon as you get to the position you want, kick the rudder ever so slightly and release quickly and she'd stop right then and there. The GP Cap is a lot like that. Pull into a 45 degree climb and slow down, roll into a left wing down KE, put the left stick in the upper right corner (fullpower full right rudder) and the right stick in the upper left corner (full down and full left aileron) and hang on, you should get about 2 or 3 tumbles and she'll fall into a nice inverted flatspin. It's even better doing it from inverted. Just add the rudder and power as described, hold it for a second or two while waiting for the plane to start slipping sideways, the add the elevator/aileron as described and the next thing you know is you are still flying sideways rotating right around the CG. sorta like a KE spin only level instead of dropping. It's all a matter of timing but once you get it, it's a great site and is what a Cap does really well and the best thing is low rates as described in the manual are plenty. On high rates she is blindingly fast

I'm jealous. I've wanted a Carden version for some time. There was one in the marketplace a few weeks ago, a 30% I think that was really nice in price and absolutely gorgeous. It was not sold and hopefully it will pop up again.

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now im jelous bubba you been in the real deal ,oooohhhh man i day i hope to ,,
great info thanks for the heads up you capaholic:D no 3 step programe for your addiction lol
your in to deep[X(][8D]
regards glen

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Well she's ready to go. All I need now is for the snow to go away long enough for me to fly the darn thing!!!![:o][:o][:o][:o]

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Lou,

What's she weigh?

Glenn,

They better never find a treatment for this addiction. I'll resist it at all costs. I don't want to be cured, this is way too much fun....

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Lou: looks great! I can believe how stable this Cap is. I've tone the throws to lowwwwww and it flys great. The Fuji has been flawless so far (unless I forget to UN-choke it......damm that choke) with plenty of power for sport flying. This was my first gas engine and I'm looking for another gas motor and plane already! I may try the Fuji 32b on a GP Giant Stick, PUTT-KNOCK around the sky......I looked at your Bio- Retired Air Force, great! I'm retired Marine....life is good!

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Well, I've totally talk myself into get one of these Caps. With help from you guys of course! I'm still deciding what to power it with. I'm leaning real hard on the OS 160, as Bubba and Lou, Whaturi and Maudib said it will fly the heck out of it. Thanks for answering all my questions by the way. The DA 50 is alittle more than I want to spend on this bird right now. Might be a good choice down the road with maybe a 85 inch plane. To make matters worse, I'm really wanting to get my feet wet with a gas plane. As long as I'm sure I wont have any fuel issues with the 160, I think it will be a great combo. Tower is gonna get a order real soon... Ahh, decisions decisions[sm=spinnyeyes.gif]

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AUW is 13lbs 10ounces with 20+ pounds of static thrust. Should work out just fine when the weather gets here.

Hey Sewerdude, If you order the CAP and teh 160 from Tower be sure and split up the order into $150.00 segments and take the $25.00 off each segment, beats the heck outta the combo deal!

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Got ya Lou! You must of been reading my mind. :D

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How about one of the Brillelli engines. I do not have one just yet bu a few RCU members whose opinions I trust have them and just love em. I'm considering the 60cc one for a 2.3m Extra

http://brillelli.com/brillelli_engines_002.htm

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Hello, Sorry to jump in. I've been following this forum for some time. I just finished with my GP cap a couple of weeks ago. I've had the bird framed up for about 6 months while I was trying to figure out the best set up for extreme 3d. My innitial plans were to go with the BME 55 but it was taking too long to be released. Next up was the DA 50. Everyone seemed to be coming around 13lb with this engine. I saw whaturi's video and was impressed with how light it seemed to fly. If I remember correctly his was around 12lb 4oz. But it did look like it was flying with barely enough power for 3d with the OS 160. His video made me look into glow. So I started weighing engines and wound up going with the saito 180 (34oz with muffler at least mine is from loosing the end from vibrations so I welded a os 40fp exhaust end on and drilled out the exhaust hole). I pulled the 180 out of my DP ultimate which weighed 11lb 4oz it hovers at about 1/2 throttle with decent pull out. So if I kept the weight at 11lb or so it would have good power with a really good wing loading. When done, my completed wieght is 10lb 13oz.:D
Here is my set up and how I kept it light.

Lightened hatch (removed flooring)
Lightened wheel pants
Lightened axles and Kavan wheels
modified tailwheel
Lightened motor box
Atached cowl directly to fuse didn't use hardwood blocks
HS 5645 surfaces GWS micro Throttle
1250 mah Lipoly batt 6v regulator
Lighwieght switch
kevlar pull pull
Carbon ultimate spinner
Carbon Mezjlik 18x6 prop
Hangar 9 titanium links dubro clevis
Fliton aluminum control horns
Coke bottle 16 oz tank
Wing and tail surfaces untouched
I guess my best analogy is instead of sticking a Viper V10 engine in a honda civic I just shed a 1000lb[8D].

I have about 6 flights. This is one awesome plane. Hovers at less than half throttle excellent pull out. This plane flies lika a foamie. If I stop a manuver in almost any posistion and leave a little power on it just floats there. I'm no expert flier but it makes me feel like one. My only complaint it that the landings arn't easy. The plane is so light I have to feed a lot of down elevator to land. It is balanced at 6 1/2 so it is at the rearmost cg but it's hard to stall it, I have to slow it down almost to a complete stop. Can't wait to get some more stick time.
I know, Long post.
Here are some pics.

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More pics

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Lightened wheel pants

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Now,
that's a really nice plane!
I fell in love with it!!!:D

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You know the wheel pants thing is a great simple idea....

Thanks,

Hibrass

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kwboost,

Now there is a really nice glow setup.

In whaturi's video, the main problem was the prop he was using. It was a ProZinger and they great at stirring paint and beating up the air to make noise. He did start out on the APC18X6W and though it was much better in the power department, he hated the spoolup time.

It really looks like you saved about as much weight as you could short of pulling the covering off and going at it with a dremel. You even did it and managed to keep the wheel pants on and use a spinner. This plane just flat out looks ungly without either of them, at least to me

Again, that's a really nice layout

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bubbagates,
I agree with you. I hate to see a scale plane without wheel pants or a spinner.
Hibrass,
I sat around and thought of every possible sensable way to save weight. This saves a few grams but it ads up.

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Gday aussiepilot my name is terry i got the 50buck cap 232 minicraft one out the field that day and the redbull one is my brothers.ive just finsh a peter goldsmith cap232g with mvvs58 for power up front mate what a plane if anyone wonts a great cap232 id give the peter goldsmith plane a 10 out 10;):D

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kwboost,

I was just re-reading you post with all the stats in it and noticed one other place you could save roughly 4 ounces if you wanted to spend the extra money.

A PT model 18X6 Cf prop is roughly 4 ounces lighter with the exact same shape and thrust numbers as the Mezjlik and since it's lighter, the spool up will be even better

The other thing was having to add a bunch of down to land. My guess is when you cut throttle from about half throttle the nose starts to point up.

This could be an indication of too much down thrust. Typically when a plane does this on landing, down thrust is a bit too much. I noticed it in mine. Going straight up it would slowly start pulling to the gear, coming out of a hover it pulled to the gear. I added 1 full degree of upthrust and a full degree of right thrust and all that went away.

I've seen a few people on here and in other places having to add some up thrust.

You could also be just slightly tail heavy which on this plane is no real big deal.

The other thing is you could add spoilerons (ailerons come up to help dump some lift) to come in around 2 clicks above idle. Lou55 suggested this and I tried it and it works. I think I use about 30% spoilerons. It was just enough for me to still have excellent control but the float went away. I set it on a switch because there are times I want to float it in, like when I forget to set my timer and I'm having way too much fun and forget to watch my fuel and have to deadstick. This plane is easy to do that with, it's just so much fun

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Bubbagates,
Thanx for your suggestions. I did look into the pt props. And they are much lighter. I propably will have a hard time getting it to balance though as the plane is already a bit tail heavy. I moved everything as far foward as possible, it is just so light in the nose. I propably could move the receiver up a bit but I don't know if it would make a difference. I want to keep the battery where it is so it is easily removed for charging (lipoly).
I did try using up thrust in my funtana 90 (it had the same problems) and it helped a lot. Next time I fly it I will see if it pitches to the belly during pull out from a hover. If so I will add some up thrust, If it doesn't I will go the spoileron route.
It did pitch hard to the belly during knife edge got it mixed out with about 23deg each way. Do you think this could be an indication of to much down thrust or just tailheavy?
I noticed with my fathers kankge 120 Cap that as we moved the cg back, it pitched harder to the belly. Went from 2-3deg to 20deg of mix.

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Sorry please excuse me in the last post. When I said 23 deg of mix on the elevator I ment percent of radio mix. Hope this makes sense.

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Nah, I got what you meant

Yep, too much downthrust will cause pulling to the belly in a stalled condition such as KE, hovering, etc...Also you may have a bot of up trim in the elevator to compensate

I had the same Kangke Cap and did not notice what your father is seeing, that's a weird change

The prop change was jsut an after thought. I did not think about the current setup and what it probably took to get it to balance

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Yeah the kangke cap was a little on the heavy side. Powered with a saito 220. It is a great combo. Auw 13lb 14 oz. In an attempt to set it up for better 3d, I borrowed it for a week to put it on a diet. Got it down to 12lb 9oz. In the process moved the cg back a bit. Plane flew much nicer with the weight reduction but we had to put in more k-edge mix. My father flew it and for him he is a bit uncomfortable with the rearward cg so we moved it back foward. Needed less mix. I'm no expert at aerodynamics, but I guess this is a bit weird. I just assumed it was one of those crazy tendacies of caps people talk about.:eek:

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I've got the BCMA 40cc in mine and it's great! Same engine, different distributor. BCMA is coming out with a Sport 42cc for $295.00!! Now that's a deal worth waiting a week or two for. Especially if you want to break into gas cheap!! They come with the EI, muffler, and stand-offs and great service from Adam. You should definately check it out at
http://www.bcmaengines.com/

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Hey Bubba, you have any first hand experience with the 30% BME Edge or Extra? I'm thinking about building one of the two. From what I can see the hardware and extras are great. Everything is CF and the wing and fuse bags come with the plane. If this one flies as sweet as it looks I may have to add it to the hangar. :D:D:D:D
http://www.bmeaircraft.com/html/edgeII/extra.html

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Lou,

Sorry, I have no experience with the BME planes. I have heard from several reliable sources the Edge is a sweetie. If it flies anything like my 33% WH Edge it will be a blast

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They say that their Edge flies really nice. I'ts a pretty sweet looking plane with a great write-up but they all have that!! I really like the looks of the Extra but like the sound of the Edge's flight capabilities.
http://www.bmeaircraft.com/html/edgeII/edgeII.html

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Hey Lou55 how are you?
I saw your video a couple of times!
Your cap rocks!!!!
Look,
i am considering also a BCMA.
Are they good engines?
Their price is very attractive.
Best wishes out there to all!

Kostas

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We have the 26 and the 40 and they are very good engines. I'm just getting ready to buy one of the new MT 52 Pro engines from Adam for my new 30%. Their price is great and so is their perfomance. 21 pounds of thrust from the 40 with a Xoar 20x8. The new Pro line should be great. You can use the tuned pipes and cans from the DA on their MT 52 Pro and it's putting out 28 pounds of thrust with the muffler that comes with it. For $475 complete with muffler, EI, and stand-offs I don't think you can beat it.

Hey Bubba! They just put out a 100cc twin also for $825.

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Lou,

I missed the link to your video....can you post it again please

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I'm not sure which one he's been watching. The first one is of Kyle flying the plane for the first time with the 160 in it and the second is the maiden flight with the BCMA 40cc in the plane (pretty uneventful) so here are both of them. Enjoy!

http://media.putfile.com/Kyle-3Ding-My-CAP-232

http://media.putfile.com/BCMA-40cc-Maiden-Flight

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Hi there bubba.
Let me ask you a question?
I saw a video that Kylie 3d's a GP CAP 232 with an OS 160FX!
Is it your's?
If yes,
i want to ask if the stock muffler of the OS 160 fits inside the cowl and doesn't interferce with the firewall box.
Also,
i want to ask if the newly introduced OS 200FS SURPASS would be a good 4 stroke.
What do you think?

Thank you for your help,
Kostas