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LOL Al, I know to not go cheap on servos. I found out the hard way last summer with my first Funtana 100X. Note to self....Never use Karbonite gears in anything!:D............Oh yea, the landing[:o]

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That's a fact! I've seen a lot of planes lost to cheap, or underpowered, servos. My buddy put his GP Ultimate in because GP said to use standard servos on the elevator and when he tried to get out of an inverted spin the servos didn't have anywhere near the power. Search party to the woods!!!

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Try two of these buddy. They should work just fine. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodId=JSP20070 I think they are on back order but you should be able to find them somewhere. Maybe TBM.

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Whats wrong with Karbonite gears??

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They sometime have a tendency to become Karbonite wheels at very inopportune times.

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Are u sayin they strip or whats really wrong with them. I just put 3 on the tail of my Giant ucando. I dont do hard 3d or anyhthing i just like to fly. Sometimes i might do a knife edge but i dont even know how to flat spin or such. I will b gettin my Cap 232 tomorrow and i got Hitec 5645 to go on the tail of it.

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Hitec 5645MGs will be just fine.

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Hey guys, I posted last on page 19 and got left behind :(.....I have a new hitec 5645 with a small amount of play, I can hold the case and pull the servo arm back and forth about 32th to 16 of an inch. Is this normal for this servo? I have two more on order from TBM. I plan to replace three JR ST125mg in the tail of my Cap. Thanks!

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Wait until he gets into bigger stuff. Dropping $2500 on a plane is not uncommon. Heck, I just completed a 33% WH Edge that ended up at $2500. I'm almost done with a Comp-Arf 2.3 and will be close to the same amount. I have a NIB Comp-Arf 3.0m Extra 260 that the airframe alone is as much as I have paid to completely assemble any plane I have owned up to this point. I remember my first big one, I nearly passed out after placing the order at TBM for all the little goodies...It adds up quick

With bigger planes there is that nervous factor for a little while. When I take a big one up for the first time, I shake pretty badly for the first couple of minutes. I've gotten to the point some times that I had to land because I could not keep any resemblance of control. 99% of the time when I get like that, it's not that the plane is seriously out of trim, it's more me. Being nervous is also a good thing as it can help to make you more careful but of you don't recognize it quick enough, it can get so bad that control if compromised. It happens to everyone at some point and you just have to learn to catch it.

I'm gonna end up in bankruptcy court if I do not stop but ya know, It's not a bad way to go...;):D

ricomari,

I did see your post, had a answer all typed out the other day and ended up having to take my sister over to the emergency room and by the time I got back I forgot all about it.

Anyway, I have seen 5645's come with a tiny bit of slop and in other cases I've seen no slop. As long as they are returning to center everytime and when you plug them in, you cannot overcome the torque with your fingers unless you really push it then I'd guess you'll be fine.

He over to the radio manufacturers support forum for Hitec and asked them, or better yet, give them a call. I'm glad to read you are dumping the ST125's. I think JR did a bad thing with the Sport servo series. A lot of people are using them in GS planes and loosing the plane because the torque values match the requirements but the servos cannot take the stress of a heavier plane and it short ordewr will wear out.

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Bubbagates, I hope all turned out okay with your sister. I plan to upgrade all the servos before too long, getting the tail first. You're not kidding about sticker shock, even a basic big bird (25%-28%) setup for sport flying like my Fuji/Cap combo is runnig about $1200 give or take a hundred bucks. Just got into a GP Giant Stick with a Fuji32 and into it about $750 so far and it needs a few more accessories. I'm sure just like the smaller planes, once I have a few of the big ones under my belt , I'll have enough big bird accessories from past projects and excess ordering that sooner or later I'll be paying just for the air frame and only a few extras. I'm very pleased with my Fuji43, starts ever time by the third flip if I get it primed properly. I choke it then pump the prop back and forth about ten to fifteen times.....starts every time by the third flip, sometimes on the first or second flip(KNOCK ON WOOD). Plenty of power for sport flying and then some. Anyway, after 20 year of smaller planes I needed a change of pace and the big bird/ gas engine combo was just what the doctor ordered to get out of my rut..............

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Yeah, one of the guys in the club just bought those two demos (40% and 42%) from TBM for about $10,000.00 and I guess it cost Troybuilt $1000.00 just to ship them up here. He's trying to talk me into buying the 40% from him. Not this month. LOL

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I'm heading down to the area TBM is at (Orlando) for speed weeks very shortly. I'll pick them up if he doesn't mind me flying them for a while ;):D. I can't say how long it would be until I deliver it though, it might be a lonnnnggg time ;)

ricomari

Yep, my sis is OK. It was just something unexpected that scared her. She is no wimp by any definition of the word but she is disabled so if she tells me that she needs to go to the emergency room, I do not hesitate.

Doing a new plane has a very therapeutic value as far as I'm concerned. Doing a type that I've never done definitely works to keep me sane (if there is such a thing as sane [&:]).

As you said, you'll get "extra stuff" lying around after a while so it's gets easier as you do more. I did like my Fuji 43 once I got it past the first start after getting it out of the box, it was a tiny little powerhouse and when using the stock muffler, it's got a nice throaty sound to it. It doesn't sound like a chainsaw on steroids.

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The only time I have ever had a problem with Karbonite gears is when I did not know any better and used blue loctite on the screw. Thank god it was on the choke servo. The loctite took about 10 minutes to eat through the gear set.

I use the Hitec 6965 Karbonite servos on all of my throttles using the included metal arm, but on the throttle there is really no load. They are a .08msec servo on 6v so they are very close to real time and I learned a long time ago a fast servo on the throttle is a real pleasure.

I have used Karbonite servos on larger glow planes with no bad problems. I wonder if using a metal servo arm could strip the gear??? HHMMM????

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Glad to hear your sister is doing good........life is too short, no point taking chances. The cost of my Cap didn't surprise me, the cost to move up to a 33%-40% did, WOW. I think it's safe to say that just in radio gear to fly cost between $1500 and wayyy more. Just servos could be close to $1000. You wanna play, you gotta pay......... got to go and buy some bigger marbles..........

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Should I send the men in the white coats yet, or should I hold off for a little while longer [sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=tongue_smile.gif][sm=confused_smile.gif]

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Funny, my wife said the same thing.....she wasn't smiling either:(. Oh-oh, door bell ringing, gotta go..........:))

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bubbagates,

Could you send me the link for this units?

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Ok, just a update. I did my taxes tonight and I'm getting more than thought, not alot ,just more. So, I called Scott from Brillelli and ordered a 46 cc., hehe. I know I'm worse than a woman:D. So I guess than I'm going to gas after all. Now I have a 160 coming with nothing to put it in. Might just send it back . I'll probably get hooked on gas and have no need for it . From what I hear its pretty addicting. So, I'll have more question to throw at Bubba and Lou as time goes on.

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Send the 160 back while you have the chance. Otherwise, you'll take a loss selling it down the road.[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]

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I have no problem with this. Keep em' coming :D

Here ya go

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXFV48&P=ML

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I'm with Bubba, as long as you don't want to know about Brillelli engines, never had one. I'm good with the stuff about the plane though.

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But Al, I maybe see one in your future.[sm=teeth_smile.gif]

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Thanks for the link buba. And which wheels do you recommend?

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The ones that come with the plane are fine

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Not mine!! I have a nice brand new BCMA MT-52 Pro on the way for my new WH Edge 540T. I don't like gas engines that sit on rail mounts. I think the stand-offs are much better. I've seen large glo-engines break metal rail mounts in half. Vibration is much worse with gas.

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Hey Bubba!! You ever used the Sullivan SkyLite wheels?? I'm thinking of getting a pair for this edge.

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I've used them and they are fine. I just don't have them on anything I currently own. I use Kavan wheels on most everything now except for the Ultimate and the Cap

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Just kiddin Lou. I havent heard of anybody having problems with rail mounts. I'm getting the alumium rail mounts from Brillelli, hope thier ok

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BTW, I had my Cap waiting for me when I got home. Big Box! Big Plane! I checked out everything like a kid on Christmas morning. All is there and in great shape. GP really did a great job on this one! The covering is superb! Alot better than I've got from them in the past. I'm impressed to say the least. Glad you guys talked me into it - Bubba and Lou :D [sm=thumbup.gif]

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My next door neighbor, and flying partner, just had his aluminum mount break in two last week at the screw holes and only just got the plane down. That was on a ST .45!!! I'm sure Scott's are stronger but one's enough for me.

The CAP impressed me when it first arrived also. It is a very nice ARF and even more fun to fly!!! You're gonna love the next month or so!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D

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This plane makes for great lunch time flights, two wires, two wing bolts and fuel, flip and fly. I can assembled, checked out and flying is 5 to 7 minutes.

The only bad thing I can think of is the darn wing being one piece. It really makes no difference to me but it can be a pain. But it is way lighter this way.

If you like Caps, you are gonna love this one, If you've heard all the bad stories about Caps being snappy, this one will change you mind. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Great Planes did their homework on the Performance series planes. I have the Ultimate as well and it flies just as good as this Cap. I've seen and flown the Yak on the Fuji 43 and the guy totally loves it as well as I. He has flown both of mine so him and I have flow all three Performance series planes.

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I'd more than support bubbagates claim on this plane. Not only was it the best, most accurate and easiest ARF that I ever put together, but it was the best flying Cap 232 out of five that I have owned and flown.

Sadly mine was sold to a pilot who could only tie the record for the lowest high-speed inverted pass!

I liked it so much that I may get another for 2007.

The OS 1.60 was a good choice. Having built the PITTS with a OS BGX on the front I might consider going that way.

Remember;

Too little power is no good,

The right amount is not enough,

Too much is just right :)

Of course you have a throttle and you'll never use it all, right?

Regards,

Eric.

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Ok, lets talk servos. What do you guys think of Hitec 6545 for the ele and ailerons and a 5985 for the rudder ? I see in the manual though their using Futaba 3305 servos on the surfaces. Is this really enough??? Thanks

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I used 3305s on everything with two on the rudder. Never had a problem as you can see in the video. You could go to Hitec HS-5645MGs but I think it's overkill for this plane.

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Lou,

This is one time I'm gonna disagree with you. The 5645's would be about the right amount of overkill whhich will give him the kind of torque buffer you want. If he is planning on doing lots of heavy 3D then they will work but the 5645's are slow. For 3D you want fast and strong servos. The 5945's fit that bill and were replaced with the 5985's just recently

I use 5945's all over and they are WAY overkill

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If I were building this plane again I'd agree with you 100% however, SewerDude is still suffering sticker shock from the last servo I told him to get so money is obviously an issue. Buying 6 servos he could save $120.00 just between the 3305s and the 5645s. It's always tough trying to put one of these together on a budget and I just wanted to let him know that if he goes with the 3305s he's still going to have a good plane. At 6v he'd have a transit time of .20 sec @ 60degrees and 124 oz/in of torque. Not numbers to sneer at. Spending the extra $120.00 will put him at .18 sec @ 60 degrees with 164 oz/in of torque. And it would be better but, A. Would HE notice the difference? and B. Is he going to be doing the type of hardcore 3D that would require the upgrade? Lot's of considerations there. 5985s are nearly $100.00 a piece. ($89.99) making his servos cost nearly twice as much as his plane.

SewerDude, Don't forget that with the gasser in this plane your twin rudder servos now go in the tail. You'll need a reverser unless you have a radio (9CAF) that will allow you to mix the elevators in which case you're going to need a couple of 36" extensions.

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Lou,

Point taken and I never gave the budget thing a thought. Good points all around

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Just got the 5955 titanium gear servos in for my Edge. SWEET!! Now if I can just get the darn plane here so I can measure for the rest of the hardware. Bought a 26cc from Adam with my MT 52 Pro and he sent me a free Jersey Modellers 2.5 gal fuel can. Got the 26 and the can, NOW i'm waitng for the 52. Says he shipped it so maybe today.:D:D:D P.S. That thing is tunnel-ready so I may need some advice on pipes and cans. Going with a Vess 22B or A depending on the AUW. Man this link is slow this morning!!!

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Thanks for the advice guys. I'm not near the level some of your are at 3D. I just didnt want to buy "weak" servos and have the gears strip or flutter happen. Been there. I'd really like to go with one strong servo on the rudder if at possible. I will definitely use 6 volts, although I've always used 4.8 in the past..... I thought I read on this thread, although I might be wrong. but someone was saying unless you have a very heavy gas engine, leave the servos for the rudder in the glow position, up front under the canopy. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks

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I'm at 51 ozs including my mount and you're at 57 without yours. Put the servos in the tail. It'll balance great and you won't have to work out the geometry on the pull-pull system. It still uses two on a y-harness but 2 5645s will cost less then the one 5955 and give you more power. BTW I'm still learning 3D, the guy flying my plane in that video is the National Freestyle Champion and IMAC Unlimited Champion so don't think I'm anywhere near doing that. LOL[&o][&o][&o][&o]