OK guys, the more I play with it, the more & more impressed I am getting with that outrunner motor I got from Hong Kong. It turns 3200 kv. I just hooked up an 8x7 prop to it & a 2 cell battery. No problems, ran the whole battery out. ( battery is re-charging at the moment, hence the reason I am still awake) and then I hooked up a 2100 3 cell pack to it, i would only go full throttle for 10 seconds at a time. It would get pretty warm, maybe 130-140 Farenhiet. It says the motor is rated for 100 celcius which is 212 F. And I had been running it at 3/4 throttle before that. SO, I'm pretty impressed. If I give it WOT it will definately go vertical. I was holding it up with it's rudder on the floor, checking to see how much torque I would have to overcome, and took it to full open, and it lifted off the floor, I'm lucky not to have a Yak sticking out of the ceiling. Should be very fun to FLy. Yay! charger is beeping, I can go to bed now.