Mike your 100% right, and that's what we do, but every once in awhile you get Mr. ego that knows better. Like I said once a month or so, especially after Christmas, guy find our club on the Internet, show up and insist on flying it themselves, If they don't have AMA we either put em on a buddy box or they can go home. We aren't being mean, we not being uncivil, or unreasonable, we've lost enough fields in our area, we now have a great site but is really close to the highway and are not going to loose the site to be nice. Weather they want to understand or not is up to them. most want help and are successful. the few who refuse help are not.