excellent, i appriciate your comments and i haven't ruled out dumb thumbs. i know what you mean about always beeing "on it" because like i said, i have several small electrics that i can harrier all day...but something just doesn't feel right about this one. fredo, you said your cg is "right on the target" what is your cg set for 115mm? i also noticed last night that in high rate, full deflection, my elevator halves were off about two clicks from each other. that may have been a contributor. i'm going to hang the plane from fishing wire to accuratly balance it then back out to the field.