OK, did you set the birds up or did someone else. The only move you stated I have not done with the Pizazz is a rolling circle, as i am not good at that move. I keep trying. It may be a case as Frank Noll stated. People take a plane and after 3 flights they either say it is perfect or it is trash. It takes me at least 15 flights to get a plane set up right. I just know the Pizazz is a good bird, and I have had around a 100 or so. O well, one last question and I am dropping the subject. Have you evey built a kit or and ARC. O yes, good luck with your Professional career in modal aviation.