I actually started out pulling for these guys. (Check out the other threads) The prevalent attitude soon became one of, "Hey, you old guys owe us something". I got news for you...I'm out on that one. They turned me completely off with the whining and snivelling. I personally do not care if they ever fly a kite, or a paper airplane. I am a firm beleiver in what Commodore Vanderbilt had to say concerning yachts. (It applies equally to any hobby)(Including ours) He said , and I quote, "If you must inquire of the price, you can't afford it".