Thanks for the encouragement. I have had an aero ace just sitting abound doing nothing. Have taken it out a couple of times now. It has been a little too windy for it so I havn't had a relaxing flite. A couple of very scarey ones however. I was flying it in a big place, 4 baseball fields square, but the wind up high kept bringing it closer to some trees along the border. I just managed enough control to keep it away from the trees and hard land it. No damage - they really are tough. Hope to get less wind this evening. Thanks again for all your help - wotan