Dude the hole thread was about which buggy holds up better, not about who can drive better. If you have a cheap buggy that breaks alot you won't win a thing. Does'nt matter how could you can drive. He said he likes the Kyosho I like the Jammin I think its just what you like and what you want. On anyday one buggy could beat the other buggy, it would come down to the better driver then.