I guess you knew how to setup diffs on your first buggy livthemoment how to shim them perfect for a perfect mesh or how a clutch should feel to the spur gear, or which diff oils to run on your track, or how to check proper braking and throttle lingage setup, also the proper spacing on your clutch bell to the flywheel or the proper direction of the clutch shoes (over the top to the right). Also if you buy any RTR go ahead and replace the steering servo exept on the LOSI LST 2. All I was saying is we all had to start somewhere and hopefully have learned alot since getting in the hobby (exept livthemoment ) and I call these tricks that a newbe might not know and this is just a few of them. Tower Hobbies doesnt even carry Kyosho anymore so that makes part even harder to get parts for them . At least it does around here. I say read alot about which buggies your interested in talk to folks about them also check and see what your hobby shop carries, then get what you feel best about. The Jammin is easy to get parts for, people are sell the parts on E-bay left and right. Right now on E-bay there are 286 hits for the Jammin and 113 for Kyosho sp2. Stuff sometimes breaks it happens (hasn't happened to my Jammin yet but I'm sure it will sometime) which buggy would you want then. I like the Jammin you like the Kyosho someone else likes something else thats the fun of the hobby. Just my 4 cents worth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

short answer: yep!

all you have to do is read a book. Like ulitmate nitro guide. I read websites before buying my 1st electric... and guess what.. I have never had a problem. Bought a quality buggy BK2.

So, i read a book and looked on a few websites then built my 1st nitro... And guess what... I have never had a problem. Sure i break an arm or turnbuckle, but those darn pipes never seem to move out of the way.
It is simply AMAZING.. the advice and the proper set up techniques you find if you actually read, or If you do not assume that a 30,000 rpm engine is a toy from radio(insert expletive).

If you take the time and build it yourself, you have the ability to know what to fix and realize you may not understand something, so you then know to ask for help. Help from whereever... a book, forum, or LHS.

I really think you provided non-reasoned 0.00 cents points.

So the hole time you (livthemoment) have ran R/C you have never made a mistake or learned anything. You are the man in the hobby then. Because I have learned alot. I get R/C Car Action & R/C Drive and there are always something I find out that I didn't know. I guess you need to go pro cause By what I read the pros are always finding out new stuff. But Hell they should just have called you cause you read about it all in a book. I just came to defend the Jammin you got personal then told everyone on this forum that you knew it all cause you read it in a book. The Jammin may not be the best buggy but it sure is winning alot of races in the pro series so I guess alot of the pro drivers have figured out something. I have a Jammin and have not had any problems with the buggy and we give our buggies hell. I still think it comes down to what you like. Thanks nad happy R/Cing to all. Even you livthemoment.

If you guy's spent as much time on the track learning how to drive, as you do on your concern of "WHO'S BETTER" , you might not crash therefore break parts, JMO

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Well said.

Ed M.

Dude the hole thread was about which buggy holds up better, not about who can drive better. If you have a cheap buggy that breaks alot you won't win a thing. Does'nt matter how could you can drive. He said he likes the Kyosho I like the Jammin I think its just what you like and what you want. On anyday one buggy could beat the other buggy, it would come down to the better driver then.

David,

Get the Kyosho ....

This is a tired debate - always filled with abstract anecdotal heresay, and never any real facts. Bottom line is - if you can drive - you can beat people driving $1500 Prospecs / SP2 / Xrays etc with a Hyper 7 Pro and a Hyper .21 8 port engine .... setup, practice, chassis tune, and skill will always rule the day.

They ALL break the same ....

Kyosho isnt impervious ... just ask the ST-R owners about the helical diff gears....

Nitrohouse is NOT an impartial retail Hobby Shop - but they are NOT owned by OFNA. It kinda appears that way but - if OFNA owned them would OFNA allow them to sell Mugen, Losi, Traxxas, and Kyosho? Think about it. Besides - I know all the guys that work there on a first name basis, and know they are NOT owned by OFNA or Jammin or Ho Bao.

I can also assure you - ive been at the counter and watched the Mugen guys and the Kyosho devotee's stand in line and order their replacement parts just like the rest of the Ho Bao OFNA Hong Nor Jammin folks.

Eveybody like to talk smack on OFNA product ... but when you ask them what they had 3/4 or more say they either never had one - or it was an rtr pile o crizzzap or some dumb thing like that.

Well siad Tazer......

Hyper 8 best bang for the buck. It needs to have the hyper 7 rear uprights and then it is a very fast buggy and reliable, The way I drive I know!

did you race competitively for those 10 gallons. Never heard of anyone with a 1/8 buggy that races that has never broken any parts. the whisper at the tracks is that OFNA are great marketers but their cars wear out and break quickly. Most LHS's will tell you the same but they dont want it to get back to OFNA. You wont hear this about the Mugen X5s. I have had many of the tops buggies. the Mugen prospec is by far the most durable and tends to win most of the races here in my neck of the woods. Yes it costs more but you get what you pay for,.

I've had a LARGE racetrack owner tell me this SAME thing, as well as at least four accomplished racers.

Its this kinda TRIPE thats just plain LAME .... the whispers? ... the whispers? LOL dude - they are shouting this tripe from the rooftops all over the internet. Whispers ....

I watched a full prospec Mugen MBX 5 truggy disentigrate 3 front lower arms, and two front center Unis in one afternoon .... it was my friends. Good friends who ran Mugens forever and was totally sold out to mugen. He sold the MBX5 converted MSR truggy the next week.

Here's the ebay pics I kept and hosted for his ebay auction ... LOL

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...%20MSR%20MBX5/











I sat at the nitrohouse counter as a guys wife chatted hubby on the phone and she bought every last Mugen front and lower rear arm they had in stock at his behest. Seems they could keep them from snapping ...

Maybe the voices whispering in your head have you convinced your Kyosho's and Mugens are indestructible or more so than any ofna - but Im not buying into the HYPE.

David did you buy the Kyosho yet? If not - why the hell not? Whats the hold up? Im dying to see the worlds first unbreakable truggy!

Yeah OFNA are great marketers LOL - thats such joke. They just have more RTR's than anybody else - and newbs buy cheap crap and destroy it and cry about the quality. Bet if every newb had to buy a new pro kit to start - there be a lot less of these whispers - about ANY rc makers stuff. Just so happens most newbs dont go drop $650 on their first rc as a MBX5 Prospec or a 777 SP2 .... or ST-R as their firs truggy.

Id like all these hoit shot EURO kyosho and mugen drivers to spend some time over here in the US and drive our MX style tracks with their cars .... Why are all the Kyosho / Mugen guys stateside having such a hard time catching Kortz, Degani, and Bradley all over California if all the OFNA cars a JUNK? International wins ... blah blah blah .... the real racing goes down here in the states as far as Im concerned .... carpet and grass and wood jumps .... ???? I dont run that crap. Big Jumps, big air .... elevation changes and long straights and rough rutted terrain ... thats what we got here, and the Jammins and the hypers seem to be doing just fine - at all levels of racing.

Whisper into my Dicta-Phone .....