Al, I went with Nippy motors because they were $20 each. I feel out done by Glacier as he only spent $12 each. I don't know what Axi motors would cost. I haven't heard a bad thing about them and I'm sure they are top quality but if I find a less expensive route and I believe I can make it work and save $100 in the process I usually jump on it. Like commonsenserc lipos and Thunder power. Not many people question thunder power makes a good pack. I have one and it works fine and I have one no name from rc dymond that stinks out the wazoo. The commonsense packs seem to be awesome packs with every bit the power of the comparable TP packs if not more as they sure seem to be very accurate on labeling them as 15C packs as opposed to calling the 20C when they would compare to others 20C packs easy.

I'm with you on building an arf. Always some challenge and I guess I look forward to some level of challenge. Would love inexpensive retracts that would hold up on this P-38!

Get the 90" I want to see what you and Glacier can do with them!

Carl