Know the game man. Played all in the series. When it first hit online - I think it was Panzer General 3d or maybe 2, its been awhile. You could play turn based versus others - it was sort of fun. It was a well done challenging game. You really tried hard to hold on to those veteran units you would need down the road. It was a good beer and pretzels title though not too complex. The art of war is a more enduring and complex turn based game that still has value to me.