You are absolutely correct. I tried one. I flew it once to set the trim, and promptly sold it complete and ready to fly. As I have said in the other posts, that will be the last one. I did try one, and therefore I know whereof I speak about the flying Junkpile. As to being some kind of God, I have never said anything of the kind. I do have to wonder, though, why are you in the Kitbuilder's forum defending the ARF types? I think that you are mistaken in thinking that the newbies need ARF's to fet into the air. I think that they need to know the how's and why's in order to understand what is going on with their models. The best way to learn is by doing. Not by flying someone elses doing. We already have too many people who did not learn how to fly, but jumped directly into the 3-D thing. The take off's and landings are very marginal, but the 3-D manuvers are spot on. I suppose that you will justify that by saying that they are having fun. They are, so go for it.