oh yeah and part of the group after a good bash session



the nemesis in action



sorry to veer of topic but they both have their great points. but for bashing i choose genesis.. the brakes are not as good as the nemesis and the steering does need to be upgraded for better steering but other then that cen has two great products here and you'll be happy with either one. but reverse is a real good idea when you get stuck in the middle of a narly hill climb

cheers.