I know exactly what you mean. I destroyed a Tiger 2 (no survivors), and i'm not big on it, either. I have a SSE that I built from a kit. An easy build, and a great plane to fly. Even capable of some 3D manuvers with a good strong engine. Will slow down to a crawl for landing with the flaperon option, if you have a computer radio. Still slows down pretty good without flaps. Only thing, it comes out a little light, an least in my opinion. It can be a handful in a good wind. I haven't flown a 4*, but i've heard good things about it. I actually might get one for my next build. Happy flying!