So now I'm thinking of what BodyWerks said, about the sweet spot being possibly greater than 45 degrees. I had a plane like that. I would start in a stable hover and slowly relax the nose. The airplane would move offstill almost in a hover. Gradually I got better and better at it and in time was able to harrier it around like normal, though still at a pretty high AOA. I'm still thinking, too, like Mika and I said, there may be a level of correcting you might need to slip into. Really fast anticipations of what its going to do. Like I said, I learned this in G2 and if you've every flown that sim, the airplanes rock so violently they sometimes snap and go inverted. By now I can harrier the sim planes around upright and inverted, so when a model tries that on my I say, "no you don't!" David, I'm in no way minimizing your problem, just looking for ways out. Do you have a practice plane? I always work out new stuff on something small and cheap. Silversurfer calls 'em slimers which i thought was funny so I have been too.... I'm thinking of something that isn't as sublime as a Mojo, but like a Flip 3D, or an Extreme 330. Something that's going to give you a bit of a hard time. Ok, now you can tell I'm bored because I haven't stopped writing yet. In the early 1980's I really liked WWll fighters. Most of the models being flown at that time were 60 sized, with very high wing loadings. If you could fly one of those ships weighted down with epoxy paint, etc, you were doing something. So I built one but had never flown a high wing loading plane. So I took my 25 powered little stick and rubber banded hand tools (piers, crescent wrenches, etc) on the wing and practiced. I had to be sooooo careful just turning this thing. By the time I was comfortable the maiden of my Corsair was no problem. I flew that thing all summer and had a wonderful time. In the fall I sold it. The guy crashed it on the first flight. Too high of a wing loading.

Dave