Sport Pilot - my mistake, I thought I was in the Classic Pattern ARFS thread, but it seems I unknowingly entered the Classic Building Defensive Moron thread! Believe it or not, this is not my nature, but you guys are killing me! I have never, in any of my post, referred negatively to builders, although, I'm beginning to understand why others may bash you! I entered this thread looking for Classic Pattern ARFS, instead I find bashing, and get drawn in also ... SOMEHOW! I believe I'll move on to modern pattern ARF shopping ...