@woodstock
yes - that's what i mean
and have you ever seen this?
The first realy Brushless-Ufo complete made in germany, this is the next step of the project and it can lift 450Gramm,
look at the video
[link=http://www.x-3d.eu/bl_ufo.wmv]X3D Brushless Ufo Video from Jast[/link]
and some pics also