I certainly don't want to see a splintered pattern group, that's not my intention. Was thinking more of an "open" class. Retracts, slightly older (younger) designs (nothing "modern" like, maybe 3 more years) and older (younger) motors. Make a db limit (if not already one) so to keep the screamers at bay. I know I have more research to do before I even compete, but the Trouble Maker and Miss Norway will both have retracts, even if we can't use them. Not sure how many more a class like this might bring in, but there are 3 of us here that are ready to join in the fun.