I have a turmoil and I like it. I like what I've seen about the hyper 8 too, except for the aluminum dogbones(I don't think they would be as reliable as steel, however they are lighter). Overall, unlike MTs, all buggies are pretty much made the same way(some are better than others), and it does depend alot on the driver. So, as was already stated, pick a buggy with good parts support!