Have to share two discoveries I made today. First, I put my student (see beginning of thread) on my Aspire "EP" glider with an OS .25LA on the front. Rudder and reduced elevator travel and "DON'T TOUCH THE THROTTLE" and suddenly he looks like a student with a whole season of instruction! Still has problems but no ailerons to over-bank the wing and plenty of time to recover from mistakes. We are even operating without the buddy box! Next summer I'll let him try the "trainer" again. Discovery #1, sometimes a student needs more help than the typical trainer has to offer. Discovery #2, should have sawed off that lousy can motor long ago. That Aspire is sweet now.