If you think about it(nexstar)They do way a lil more than most trainers, they may not turn as well, they may not do the arobatics most will..But are you really looking for all of that in a trainer? Hints learning to fly. They are built rock solid, an they handle like a bigger plane would. an they don't look like an oak 4x4 with covering on it. Those things(nexstars) will take off with two diffrent drop doors on the bottom loaded with almost 5 pounds of jolly ranchers. An the way they fly don't change with a 70 4 stroke. They are a good looking, an a good ridgied model