ah perfect the flatana does these well. try a blender it does them well inverted and thats my favorite so try this up high. no throttle at this point downward line left aileron let it really spin up, then do a snap with full right rudder and full down elevator, give it a second or so, then let off the aileron you will be forced into a flat spin heres where you use a little throttle just a little bit to much and you get disaster. but the right amount can make it seem like its not even falling. try it it takes a lotta practice but definately impressive.