The DP Ultimate is by far the nicest flying plane I've owned. I've had 3 of them! It 3d's very good. I used the Saito 180 on mine and it would hover and pull striaght up and out of it no problem and I am about 6,500 ft above sea level. Use the pull-pull set-up for elevator. It's nice and light and works great. Have fun!

Kevin