Horsepower isn't the issue when you talk about pulling things. I really have a hard time believing that anyone pulled any 1:1 car with an RC that weighs less than 20 pounds, Regardless of torque and horsepower... There is just no way to put that power to the ground. Tie whatever 1/8th scale or less MT you want to a stripped down civic chassis with no engine or interior, and it is just going to sit and spin. An RC that weighs less than 20 pounds simply cannot put the power to the ground to pull anything that weighs that much. Now small children in a wagon on a very flat/smooth surface is a bit more believable. It's not about horsepower or torque, its about tires managing to produce enough friction between themselves and the ground to overcome the massive inertia of a parked car. Suggesting that you can pull a civic on level ground with a little RC is just plain silly.