I couldnt agree with you more on that one. But i think the skybolt would be a close call to a ultimate with a good 1.20 on it at sea level. And they each other their good points and bad but I dont think I could come up with 5 things that are bad with an Ultimate? The skybolt would be how it builds on the cabians (sp) and the outer wing struts i think suck IMO ..... not starting a war here or anything like that...but they are both well thought out birds over all.[&:]