On the box colour issue for the Tiger mate, I've had a non-S&S and now have an S&S and the boxes were blue for the non, and white for the newer S&S version. Not sure if this is a 100% rule, but seems likely.


As can be seen from Woz's pics the HL's are either non-S&S with the 3 position switch on the transmitter for the frequency, or they are the S&S versions and have the changeable crystal and the buttons for engine on/off, MG and main gun...

soooooo.. here's an interesting question for anyone with the new Panzer 3... it's Smoke and Sound.. but seems to have a 3 position switch for the frequency on the side of the tank.. so what the heck kinda transmitter comes with it?!!! [&:]