A few questions i'd like the answer to if poss.

Now I know about the basic HL model, the one with 2 speeds, 3 frequency transmitter etc, now are these all the same, the reason i ask is cos they sell for around £30 on the bay, but i've also seen the 3 frequency version in my local model shop for £120 (??)

The version with smoke and sound, are these models all proportional speed, allowing slow arcing turns? or is it the metal gear version that has proportional, and do they all have the exaggerated recoil action?

And finally, the metal gearbox version, I presume they are the s+s with a metal gearbox but do they also have metal sprockets and idlers? and is the gearing the same as the nylon geared version(I've heard somewhere that the gearing is more scale ie. slower).

TIA Geoff

Now I know about the basic HL model, the one with 2 speeds, 3 frequency transmitter etc, now are these all the same, the reason i ask is cos they sell for around £30 on the bay, but i've also seen the 3 frequency version in my local model shop for £120 (??)

They are just over priced! I've seen a non-S&S in a local model shop for about £70, but ebay seems to be the place to get the "old" HL's cheap.

The version with smoke and sound, are these models all proportional speed, allowing slow arcing turns? or is it the metal gear version that has proportional, and do they all have the exaggerated recoil action?

The S&S versions all have the 10 "proportional" speeds on the internal boards, and yes the horrible recoil action (I just never press the button on the remote!)

And finally, the metal gearbox version, I presume they are the s+s with a metal gearbox but do they also have metal sprockets and idlers? and is the gearing the same as the nylon geared version(I've heard somewhere that the gearing is more scale ie. slower).

Nope, they just have the metal gear boxes. The metal sprockets, idlers, suspension, tracks, etc are all aftermarket spares, not made by HL. As for the gearing.. I'm not too sure. I thought it was just the weight of the gears that were harder for the motors to turn and therefore gave a slower minimum speed.. maybe someone else has an answer on this?

Really, all the S&S versions have the 10 proportional speeds? All of the cheap S&S versions I've seen on eBay were advertised as having only 2 speeds.

I'm sure it's the weight of the gears that slows the motors down as they now have to work harder. It takes a lot more energy to spin those heavier gears.

Karma,Two local shops sell the 3 frequency version,one at £99 and the other at £120, just thought they may be something different to my tiger as the box is blue but the box mine came in was mainly white, with a velcroed flap with photos of a tiger that is not actually the hl model,ie normal barrel length, correct lights and mantle.
I want to get another one but want to make sure i get what i want.

Is it possible to disable the recoil, as my vs "recoils" and i've never been too impressed with that one function.

Richard, this is exactly what i want to clear up.

Then they're mis-selling them. The S+S tanks use different electronics to the non S+S. The non S+S tanks have a 3way switch to change the frequency the S+S tanks use crystals.

If you look at the bottom right of the controller and it has a switch then it's a non S+S but if theres a crystal then it's S+S.



Also the three switches in the middle are different.

So if I am reading you right, then "all" S+S tanks have 10 proportional speeds, regardless of where you buy them?

Yes

On the box colour issue for the Tiger mate, I've had a non-S&S and now have an S&S and the boxes were blue for the non, and white for the newer S&S version. Not sure if this is a 100% rule, but seems likely.


As can be seen from Woz's pics the HL's are either non-S&S with the 3 position switch on the transmitter for the frequency, or they are the S&S versions and have the changeable crystal and the buttons for engine on/off, MG and main gun...

soooooo.. here's an interesting question for anyone with the new Panzer 3... it's Smoke and Sound.. but seems to have a 3 position switch for the frequency on the side of the tank.. so what the heck kinda transmitter comes with it?!!! [&:]

Woz, do those trim sliders actually work, looks like your steering trim in the photo has actually moved

The trim sliders on my S&S transmitter do work and do affect the way the tank runs.

Hi
The PzIII comes with the "pseudo-proportional" transmitter, interchangeable crystals and smoke and sound. The switch on the side of the tub is for turning on or off the smoke unit, it's a two position switch.
Nice tank. Got mine from Asiatam and comes with metal gearboxes and proportional smoke unit.
Regards

Thanks for the info Uhu, should be pre-ordering mine on Saturday from Mato if all goes to plan.. and some spare boards cos Swathdiver once vaguely hinted they might possibly be useful one day maybe

Interesting, i just checked a T1 S+S box, and the nice pic on the inside of the flap lid, isnt anything like the tank...

The tank depicted has the correct length barrel, mantlet is right, lights are right, pistol port is right etc etc....so...what HL tank is that then??? None I have seen.

I rekon its a Tamiya!!!!!!!!!!

Richard,

Who handles S-S tanks? I got all mine off Ebay and The Pershings and tiger, from your description are 2 speed stuff, non smoking.
I'd like to pick up some better stuff, or replace the RC stuff. Be nice to get a better setup for my 2 German Pz IVs, as they look good and were more common on the battlefield that Tigers. I have pre ordered the Pz III, and I understand that is supposed to be a lot better. You described the fine tuning switches on my M-41 controller and I'll check that out today and experiment on running it.
Appreciate your help on understanding these electronic nightmares.

Bill

Bill, I bought all of my S-S tanks from Mato Toys since I prefer metal gears. In my opinion, it's worth spending a little more money for 10-speed electronics. Otherwise, one will get frustrated with the controls and will need to upgrade.

Thanks richard,

Do you know who makes the Pz IV with recoiling gun? Someone showed a video and I didn't see any maker listed. The firing and recoil looked great, but immagine they are expensive also. We had the official opening of our museum Tuesday evening....had about 500 people there...check out our web site ;SC Military Museum..you'll get a nice slide show, including my tank display.

Bill

Sorry Bill, I do not know who makes the Pz IV with recoiling gun, although I've seen it once online. Nice museum and nice tank display.

hi ,
the blue box is for the non-smoke and sound ,they still make them,sells 8$ cheaper at the factory.
it is programable, runs a little faster, comes with plastic gears from the factory , the 4 trims on the controller are fake.
the electronic circuit board does not fry,reliable,comes with black cap motors .

the white box is for the full option model (smoke + sound ) ,they also comes with plastic gears ,if you got metal gears it is the seller that puts them in not the factory).
run better at low speed,amusing mg action,i like the recoil action,cheapy sound,the turret engine turn better(what i have notice on my tanks).
*the circuit board fries (burns) if you go play rough outside(mud or torque situations)drains to much power.
2 of the 4 trim button works (2 are fakes)comes with white cap motors.

henglong factory prices went up 5 $ in 2007 for all models
the box does not come plastic sealed , only taped at openning.