I was sort of Norm's prodigy when I was a teenager. Yes we were close. We flew at the same local field. Norm pretty much quit pattern in 1976 and moved from Chicago to Pasadena Ca. Last I heard he is alive and flying full scale sailplanes but I have not seen or talked to him since he left Chicago. He was a very quiet private person. His flying talent and design innovations were something to behold and I was very lucky to have known him like I did. I didn't always get along with him but I respected him very much. Mike