hands without shadows

[link=http://www.thorbob.com/4x4xthor_3.htm]This[/link] is how most people do it. The only other way I have seen is [link=http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140501]this[/link] way, but he doesnt give specific details. I remember seeing someone else do it like the traxas guy did, but I cant remember where. If I remember what knuckles those are Ill let you know.