thanks aj, if you already have the p51 don't give up on her, she will fly. are you using lithium or the nimh. get a lithium and apply 3/4 throttle and find a big hill when just learning, or what I did is stand in the back of my pickup (or in the trunk to my car, lol). I never had problems getting it up their, I just found it awkward with out any rudder, more so than other planes. idk, i just need to find another quick bird to pick up and fly.