Thanks for the info guys. I am waiting for the wren 54 ss from Patricia. I do not think I will have it ready due to the fact that I bought a business and it is taking up most of my time but I will try. I will be there on sat and sun. I would love to meet some of you and look at your planes. In reply to dream works, thanks , I placed an order last wed and I am waiting for the goodies. If I need some more stuff, you can bet I will be at your tent. PS the new business is savannahaviation.com