I am not taking anyones opinion over another. I want to see what I need to do to finish it. Outsider says the plane is garbage and I can't give an opinion because I have not tried to fly it. On the other hand sunray says it is not a bad plane but not for beginners. Well, I'm not a beginner but I lack the experience of many. I appreciate your help and opinions but I certainly did not wan to start a fight.