Here is a vid of my 1st and 2nd pack ever in the heli (other then the one pack hovering to get it trimmed) so there really is not much to see, one ugly loop and a roll that just stopped in mid air. But, the piro you see are FULL STICK piros. Really shows how slow the piro rate was. Now my piro rate looks like the vids i see on line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou468CNAxec

dk