"one with the plane"..................AWSOME, AWESOME, AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! I'm starting to get the point, here's an example; I've got a lame flight simulator (cockpit master)(lame computer,too) and for some reason, the only high-alpha simulation, it (or I) can do, is high-alpha knife edge.....But I can do it all day long right in front of me, and although it seems easy to do with this program, I feel "one with the plane" not really thinking about it, just doing it! I geuss it's got to be the same with hovering, in real life. I wish I had a real flight G-2 and a decent computer! But I am SERIOUS about doin' it and I'll keep you posted on my progress, as soon as the snow melts here in MI...............Wayne, is the nose still down in zero wind? how much? ..................The experienced suggestions and motivation a guy can get on this forum is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!thanks.