hrmm.. ya I knew I had read some posts about needing a fair amount of thrust... I actually believe one of your videos got me into looking one of these Caps. Didn't you have the "smoking" video or something?

Well the 1/8" down has been an issue for sure.. I have had that issue since day one regardless of CG and I actually only added 1 small washer of right / up thrust to start.

I know it 3Ds well.. seen several harriering videos. Some one at my field flew it for 5 mins and brought it down 10' of the deck harriering it around and really liked the way it did that. I can do nice rolling harriers with it as well and walls are great.

The biggest thing for me is I wasn't looking for a strickly 3D machine.. I wanted the best of both worlds.. the Edge is more rounded than this CAP in my opinion if you compare both the WH Edge and Cap. Although go to Carden I think the Cap flies pretty good at everything. I flew a H9 33% a hand full of times and it did awesome rolling circles for me.

I will get some more tweakin and time in on her and go from there