Don't forget FunAero's SE5a. From what I have read its a good build and flyier. The latest edition of MAN as drawings, etc for a 1/4 SE5a.. From what I can see it looks real close to scale.. not for the inexperienced builder. Soon, (next winter? lol)I hope to finish my Duncan Hutson SE5a. Too bad he went out of business.. his planes are excellent. Regards BobH.