I am over the pond in England..

i have seen these 2 (or 4 if you include brushless models) planes for sale

they are made by ST Models (sheng teng)

basically are they any good???

Links:

Skymaster Brushed
http://www.alshobbies.com/shop/looku...?pc=7069&Desc=
Skymaster Brushless
http://www.alshobbies.com/shop/looku...?pc=7068&Desc=

Cessna (brushed/brushless option at bottom)
http://www.storacingproducts.com/cgi...owprod_AV1RTR4

Basically i want a plane that is good for a beginner, doesnt cost too much to buy/repair and doesn't look like a cardboard box

i toyed with the idea of a Parkzone Spitfire, and heted the idea of a Firebird/aerobird type thing

i also want 4ch for good control

not too much to ask eh ???

well if anybody can help, then thank you muchly