I am over the pond in England..

i have seen these 2 (or 4 if you include brushless models) planes for sale

they are made by ST Models (sheng teng)

basically are they any good???

Links:

Skymaster Brushed
http://www.alshobbies.com/shop/looku...?pc=7069&Desc=
Skymaster Brushless
http://www.alshobbies.com/shop/looku...?pc=7068&Desc=

Cessna (brushed/brushless option at bottom)
http://www.storacingproducts.com/cgi...owprod_AV1RTR4

Basically i want a plane that is good for a beginner, doesnt cost too much to buy/repair and doesn't look like a cardboard box

i toyed with the idea of a Parkzone Spitfire, and heted the idea of a Firebird/aerobird type thing

i also want 4ch for good control

not too much to ask eh ???

well if anybody can help, then thank you muchly

Hi MP,
May I suggest that you reconsider these as first models if you have no experience with RC flying.
While they look nice, you really need a trainer as a first model.
Also, in the UK the BMFA, see www.bmfa.org are the governing body and provide excellent information to RC pilots. They also provide insurance (third party) at a very good price, included in your annual membership.
Please join a local club and you may even get a chance to fly the club trainer via a buddy box system, where the instructor has a transmitter and your transmitter is connected to his by a lead. This will give you a taste of flying before you spend money on a model, and your instructor will advise on a good starter model. You can move onto nice scale models once you can fly.
I do not mean to dishearten you, but I have been doing this for over 17 years and trainned many new pilots and would like to help you avoid dissapointment.