got the guts up and just pulled a loop while doing FF (only been doing ff for about a week, and i have nose in quite good) , was in idle up and droped it back to mid stick which is about 0 deg then kept back on the cyclic, then full throttle into a ff climbout ! heh, best lunchhour ive ever had, made the rest of the afternoon at work quite nice it did!!

i have an ol grey frame, with XL and SE parts on it... a walkera gyro in normal mode. and a mediocre lipo until my new ones arrive from united hobbies when they get my order actually posted ..