agexpert - you have a bad day man? I don't see where you've contributed positively to this thread regarding training beginner pilots... only that you've attempted to belittle other's efforts and voice some kinda frustration only to digress into flaming others. You need to re-read the red text above the reply box. Take it to PMs if you have issues.

Civil is civil... your posts above stray from that.

I enjoy surfing this board more than any other board due to the civility that is maintained by the users and mods. Don't ruin it man.

somegeek