Re: terrain, sigh, ok. I am afraid I need to give considerable attention to MTs in my selection, as they are kings of the terrain where I'll spend most of my time. My wife has already started w/ the jokes...

Re: pipes, ok. I saw that i mis-spoke on the one, it is rippled, not ribbed. Have seen a few on sites, but not sure what the real advantage (if any) is.

Re: forward/aft facing, fair enough. Personally, I think I like aft-facing but that seems to be aftermarket on most rigs.

Now I get to sift thru 500,000 savage/maxx posts. Great.

pb

ps, have much wind up there today grampi? we had gusts of about 40 i think here, it was wicked at times.