Hey Gents I took out the eclipse for flight on memorial day and had the scare of my life! I did not check the incidence on the elevator before I took off(Overlooked). As soon as I took the plane of the ground the plane did not want to climb, I immeditely switched to high rates and the plane began to climb. Whenever I would take my hands of the stick the plane would descend very quickly. with the help of a few friends at the field I was able to get the plane back safely without any injuries (sweet). Second flight / with the help of a few experienced pattern pilots we seroed out the wings and stab and took the plane off. It was the sweetest feeling watching that plane fly through the sky. This model does not fly fast, and very responsive in the air. Hands down down probaly the best model I have ever flown, and I have flown quite a few models. Here are my rates. 10 degrees of elevator 45 negative expo. Ailerons were about 12 degrees/ negative 50 expo. As far as I can tell withe the eclipse the CG is right on the wing tube. I rolled the plane inverted and it did not take and down throw at all to keep the plane level. If you are still waiting to put your plane together the time has come to take it out of the box and put it together you will not believe how well it flies. P.S. I flew the ARF. I first bought the ARC but it met an untimely death on it's maiden voyage --- bad rx switch