thanks bladekiller, i,ll try the bubble level. someone acually makes a swash leveling tool that looks like a horseshoe with 2 viles on it for front to back and side to side but i think it,s to big for a micro heli. i guess you could find an old torpedo level, the little 8 inch kind, that you don,t want anymore and take a vile out of it. but i,m still not sure if that would be small enough. i do know that a level swash will make a HUGE differance. my experience has been mostly the opposite. ( NO--NO--NO--WAIT--WAIT--OH MAN[&o][&o])