Btw, I have a Toyota Sienna mini-van for my airplanes. It ususally has the middle seats out, and the rear ones folded into the floor. I got some cheap carpet at the hardware store that I cut to fit, and backed with some plastic sheeting. Works great for transporting my planes around. (yes, I DID buy the van for the airplanes. It's my van, not my wife's, and we don't have kids ). There are 6-7 guys in my club with the same van.