thanks for the input. this is the only plane i have setup on "rediculous" throws (well except my indoor foamy) it kinda surprised me when it happened. this was the first time i had flown this plane since i fixed the rudder and ele nyrods. there was a ton of flex where they were not anchored to the fuselage well before. if i jammed ele or rudder it would give a bunch at first then immediately deflect the surface to much less. you could see it wag it's tail. anyway i anchored the nyrods properly and now this thing has so much throw (that stays where i put it) that it exhibits the snap out we are talking about here.

cool thing i discovered yesterday about it... i can do climbing inverted flat spins with this plane now. and knife edge loops. that was a fun surprise!

again, thanks for confirming my suspicions.