ORIGINAL: STLPilot
Are you telling me that If Club A OWNS their own land and allows a pfer club to also fly on the Club A's land/facility, that Joe Schmoe cannot be a member of both Club A -- the landowner -- and the pfer club?
If Club A owns their land as many clubs now do, then Club A is God as far as your landowner definition is concerned.
Listen Hoss you run your club the way you feel deemed to screw people who you THINK are below you. Your intentions are crystal clear. Screw them at every corner and do your best to segregate them from the group. Yeah that will really go over well. Like I said, the AMA started this program so people like yourself who WANT to segregate and create ANY disadvantages for Park Flyers will just go simply live elsewhere WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE AMA and might even take a few of your members when they go.
The same people who kept saying that this program will seperate the AMA are the same people who are taking action to prove their own theory right. I say, let them. The more seperation this organization this organization has, the better. Wall in Mexico? Nah .... let's put it back where it used to be 130 years ago.
Oh and in regards to DM acting like the gov't, which gov't are you talking about, the one down in DC? Last time I checked the AMA is a government. You know "the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization." Yes, DM SHOULD be running the AMA like a gov't, maybe not like DC, but CERTAINLY a government, afterall he is a President. Better that he runs it like a government then a hobby shop.
Dion,
We've been jerking your chain a little, but,
Please pay attention here....Do you actually expect the organized mainstream clubs that have done all the work to build the fields, and garner whatever good will that they have been able to accumulate, to simply turn it over to the new Park Pilot clubs that will be coming along for free? Surely, you are intelligent enough to understand that you guys will in fact, have to buy your way in. Would you be willing to turn over what you had worked long and hard to accomplish to a new group and not expect to recover at least some of your investment? I think not. Having said that, why should this be any different. I think that the existing clubs, where you would want to set up a semi-parallel group are deserving of having their efforts compensated. If you do not, then you don't want to conduct your business, or your club in a fair manner.
I do know that the clubs to which I belong are operated on private property, and these clubs do have the final say as to who may or may not use the facilities. I do not expect to see any Park Pilot program have any trouble approaching these clubs with a proposal of utilizing these facilities, as long as they are not demanding that we accomodate them for free. That will not happen, and if that is the intention of these newcomers, they will be in for a rude awakening. We have invested many thousands of dollars in building these flying facilities, and are not likely to give them up to anyone for nothing.
My advice to you would be to first form a group, then decide whether or not you wish to use an existing field, and then approach the club that has that field, and ASK, if there might be a possibility of utilizing the existing facility, and also ask that they (the existing club) propose to their membership these requests, and have them make an offer of use, and what the cost will be. Then you guys can dedice whether or not you can afford the price. If not, then simply develop your own flying site (within the guidelines for distance from the historically existing club). It's pretty simple, but I will guarentee you that we won't roll over and play dead for you.
Bill, AMA 4720