Bill one more thing. The only reason you are looking for an exact number from us so that you can tear it apart no matter what we give you. We tell you higher then current, you'll tell us they will never go for it. We tell you to go lower, you'll tell us your club site owner will never go for it. If it's the same you'll tell us there is not enough room. The reason you haven't been given your wish is because we are not stupuid and we aren't members of your club. This time you'll have to think for yourself.

Now, don't sell yourself short stl


Ronnie

stl, you also wrote (#53):

Now, you say you have the program courtesy of Dave Mathewson, who now seems to prefer "leaking" the news rather than formal notification to the membership -- just great to look forward to for the next three years -- so there should be no speculation and fabricated structures in whatever you say. So why do you not just cover the details and forget the emotional rantings?

As I understand, from your emotional ranting twists from post to post, to obtain the half-price AMA membership the park flier has to belong to a separate club, yet such club may locate on the same facility with a regular club. If such is true the many different situations that factor into such equation can and must only be resolved at the club levels. If AMA should attempt to intervene, then AMA will only lose much more than they could ever hope to gain. While the FEDs can buy state governments with money, I don't think AMA has enough assets to BUY the RIGHTS of local clubs, especially those clubs that have large vested interests in their flying facility.

My main club has members that play with park fliers, yet also tear up the sky with those 25-40 %ers. OTOH, I have noticed that those that only play with park-fliers in the 2# or less range do not stay long with the club.

In post # 58, I, rather tongue-in-cheek, proposed the following:
Now, that is no longer tongue-in-cheek. If a pfer club wants to operate on the facility that I have spent 12 years working to build, and financed a great part of that operation, you can bet your rear-end that I will do everything in my power to assure that such group provides a neat profit to the host club that OWNS such 50 acres that I provided. [>:]

OTOH, if such a group wishes to locate on an adjoining 40 acres, and will restrict their operations to 27 MHz, 2.4 GHz, or such, then we just maybe could do a less restrictive business. As stated above the pfers will have to solve their own problems on the local level, and my experience with the recreational modelers leads me to believe that forced organization will be a real chore. I personally will assist them however not like I do for the serious modeler in CL, FF, and RC.

So there is my stance on the program, and my suggested fee schedule.

Emphasis added:
SAY AGAIN PLEASE? What is it that you are NOT?

I just can't understand why some AMA members demand the information they want too see and they want it now. On the other hand I wonder why some people just don't take the time to contact their DVP's, or call the programs director and ask for themselves other then demanding the information on an unofficial discussion board of the AMA. I also don't understand why nobody has ever heard of teaser information to cause excitement and anticipation. This is one of the major problems of being part of an all male organization. However the only other all male org I've ever belonged too was the Boy Scouts, but I don't recall seeing this kind of frustration when I belonged to that group, I guess beacuse it was a male group, yet a younger age bracket. So I think I understand a lot more of the problem now.

What does "....all male organization..." have to do with the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA)?

LMAO....

Hoss, consider the source that its coming from. He's trying to be the High Roller on this ama forum an doesn't understand that most of us neither like or listen to him.
I'm sure glad I don't have that many enemies.

He still hasn't ever answered the question of whats in it for him either.


Ronnie

Horrace,
I think it is well within your rights or any other clubs rights to charge whatever you want to allow a PFer to fly at your field.
My personal view is that it will be a rarity. In the town that i live there are several groups who meet at various places and fly electrics. Many of the places they fly sporatically at they occasionally get run off from for the reason of liability and risk to the land owners. I think this program will enable PFers to establish their own flying sites. Most of the PFers i know wouldn't join a regular AMA club is they were paid. There is just a level of animosity that got started between PFers and AMA clubs in the beginning that will probably take a few years to heal. But it is the AMA that has reached accross the aisle to them.

All this worry or argument of what established clubs should charge PFers is mute. Charge them the same as regular members, they aren't coming anyway.


I agree with Bill on this one.

Hoss-

What? There is a leak from the AMA?
Lets see.... when did I mention that last...
Oh, Nov 30 in the EC Meeting & MA evaluation thread :

Dodge has not been cleaned up it appears,
they have a leak.


I cant believe all this is coming from the grand Pre-Anouncement,
complete with Pre-Leak,
of some Announcement happening in January.

I asked a while back about how much lead time will the clubs have with the actual program rules to make their decisions & effect them locally before the Parkies show up, and it seems the answer is firming up to... None.

So, now in addition to all your other supurlatives, you claim to be clairvoyant. You never cease to amaze me.

Bill, AMA 4720

Well Mr. Intelligent, For starters, the DVP, nor the AMA sets the club dues, nor do they have any say so over our flying site, so long as we operate it within the safety guidelines set forth by the AMA. Now having made that point clear to you, may I ask you one more time; HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU (THAT IS PERSONALLY) THINK THAT THE CLUBS SHOULD CHARGE THE POTENTIAL MEMBERS WHO WILL BE IN THE PARK PILOT PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO EITHER JOIN THE EXISTING CLUB, OR TO SHARE THE CLUB FIELD AND ITS AMENITIES? Now that should be simple enough for even you to understand. I am asking for your opinion on this. Don't try to tell me that you don't have one, because if not, that would be a historical event of monumental proportions.

Bill, AMA 4720

Stick-

Well Bill,
I gotta say you have really shown a lot of patience in trying to get that answer from him so far. Good on you. Now that you have gotten to the point of having a blatently obvious & easy question posted, all you gotta do is copy & paste it in about 4 more posts, each time increasing the font size, and repeatedly invite him to stop dodging the question. That will give you a 20% chance of getting an answer out of him before he baits someone hard enough to get the thread locked. That is how I rarely got a straight answer from him in the past, hope this helps you now.

Good luck on your endeavor,
I found it easier to give him the Lil Red Hand than to get straight answers

Bill, don't feel bad......

He never has answered my question either.



Ronnie

He has never, EVER answered any question that I have asked him. If he can't spin it, he ignores it.

Bill, AMA 4720

If I was the AMA, I sure wouldn't want him to be my mouthpiece, unless one or the other has some hidden agenda.


Ronnie