Thanks Packfan for the info. It does seem like alot of used items are knocking on what you would pay new at Ebay. And new items like you said......get retail. I don't know if its the fun of a auction, or the bidder who refuses to lose at all costs, including paying over retail, but I have yet to feel like I got a down right bargain on anything.....Always am hoping and trying.....but eventually at some point during a auction the illusion that I am getting a great deal fades.....and I end up at whatever retail outlet that carries the item that I wanted new. Nothing wrong with a warranty, and the fact if something is wrong with the item- you can return it. I missed the good old days....Heck I just bought a computer less than a year ago!